Fixing Omnibus F4 Pro over-heat and shorted LDO problem … by David HK June 2017
Recently I have two Omnibus F4 Pro over-heat and then shorted LDO
problem, the 2nd one only after a few flights and last for just over
a month. I also saw other people in the Omnibus F4 Pro rcgroups discussion group have similar problems.
For the 1st board I totally have no idea what was the
problem and how to go about investigating it.
Then when the 2nd board had similar problem, I re-read the
discussion group again (I read it once for my 1st F4 Pro build), and
came across a few people have similar issues, either drop out of the sky,
intermittent no video, or after landed, cannot armed anymore, I encountered all
these scenarios.
It appears that all these are due to a shorted LDO (Low DropOut)
voltage regular. In the F4 Pro board,
there are three such LDOs, each takes 5V in, produces 3V out.
There are 2 in front of the board, U4 (marked A in my picture below, for
providing external 3V power output) and U6 (marked B, for providing 3V power to
the OSD), and one at the back of the board U5 (marked C, to power the MCU).
Here is the 5pins layout of the LDO.
The far left pin at the other end of the VOUT is not used, as I’ve
tear-up the PCB solder joint for this particular pin of 2 LDO when I tried to
remove it L,
but the board still working after I replaced and soldered the other 4 pins.
This picture was uploaded by teralift in the discussion group
To see if you have a shorted LDO, without connecting any battery, use a
DMM to check for the continuity between a GND pin (eg those in the ESC rail)
and the VIN pin. If you have 1 LDO
shorted this way, then all 3 LDOs will appear as shorted when measuring by DMM,
including 2 nearby white resistors are also appeared as shorted.
The only way to find out which LDO is shorted, is to remove one LDO at
a time, then check for continuity again on the other LDOs & resistors. Also you can directly measure the GND and VIN
pins of an LDO once it is removed, which will be 100% sure if it is shorted or
not.
There could be more than 1 shorted, but I’m not sure, as in my case,
both of my boards only shorted 1 LDO, but each board shorted a different
LDO. One has shorted U4, and the other
has shorted U5.
This is how small these LDO are: :)
This is how small these LDO are: :)
To remove a LDO, it is easier to use a very hot iron, rather than a
heat-gun, as heat-gun can cause other damage in the surrounding area, while hot
iron damage is local and easier to control.
Here are the steps I used to remove then solder back a new LDO.
1.
Paste some flux on to the 5 pins of the LDO to
be removed
2.
Turn your iron to 400+ C, the hotter the better,
as you want to quickly melt the solder without prolonging heating the PCB area.
3.
Use the hot iron to touch the 2 pins side first,
this will soften the existing solder joints, so when you tear it up in the next
step, hopefully you are not tearing up the PCB joint as well.
4.
Then touch the 3 pins side, when you see the
solder is melted, use your iron to tilt up the LDO, it should come off very
easy as the heat from the 3 pins will quickly transfer to the other 2 pins as
well.
5.
Now the old LDO is removed, exam the 5 solder
points left behind, if they are intact, good, if they are not, I think so long
you have the GND, VIN, and VOUT, then you should still be okay.
6.
Add more flux, then use the hot iron to smooth
out the joints solder that left behind, if there is not enough solder left, you
need to add a bit of solder to the joints for the next step, as when we solder
the new LDO, we just use the iron to heat up the pins, and if there is enough
solder in the joint, the solder should just ‘flow’ upward towards the pin and
the hot iron when a hot iron is placed there (solder always travel towards the heated
point).
7.
Now add more flux (it serves 2 purposes, 1 is
obvious, to lower the melting temperature of the solder, 2 is to use it as a
glue to keep the new LDO pins in alignment when you place it on the PCB before
soldiering
8.
Now the new LDO pins are in alignment of the soldering
points, use one finger to hold the LDO in place (I found using my finger is
easier to control instead of a tweezers, as you can control how much force to
use without dislodging the LDO position).
Need to be careful with the hot iron and your fingerJ.
9.
You should heat up the 3 pins side first, as it
is easier, make sure you’ve touched each pin, otherwise 1 of the pin may not
get a good contact and you may not notice it until your quad is in the air!
10.
After all 5 pins are touched with the hot iron,
and you can see the solder have been pull up from the PCB (see my picture above,
these are after I’ve replaced the 3 LDO), then you are good.
11.
Check continuity again, if still have
continuity, continue to replace the next LDO.
12.
Remember to clean up all the flux using Isopropyl
alcohol and a brush (I used an old toothbrush)
13.
When no more continuity, try to connect the
board to a PC, if no status green light, then you need to solder 2 wires to the
VBAT+ and GND pad to provide power to the board via this way. I used a 7.5V 2S spare battery to power up my
board this way for testing.
14.
Once you have green status light, or your board is
still able to take the 5V from the USB, you can connect the board to your PC,
connect to betaflight, while keeping the batter connected to provide power to
the board if necessary.
15.
One of my boards can still take the 5V power
directly from the USB port, the other one I need to add a batter via the VBAT+ &
GND pad in order to power up the board.
You can buy these LDO from ebay, just search LG33 on eBay. They are very cheap, a few dollars for 20 –
50 pieces.
So there you go, a shorted F4 Pro board is fixed for just a few cents! Happy flying…
20171008 update:
Have been flying the fixed FR Pro board a few times, and using 4s, but lately after a few crashes, the board is dead again, unable to arm, unable to connect to bfc in PC, but the green light is on. Oh well, a good experience in fixing it, time to move on to another board...
Not sure if the omnibus f4 v3 (non pro) will fare any better?
Thanks for writing that up. I may be having the same problem, was the green LED lit up without the 3v3 LDO?
ReplyDeleteYes, I got the green light, no blue light, unable to connect to PC betaflight configurator.
DeleteNow this one i have to change no video and it only makes 1.2v i powered the bord n measured v.
DeleteThanx alot, I managed to replace one LDO and two diods and now my board Power up both from USB and Lipo. BUT, video is still dead. Does anybody know which LDO and diods are connected to video/OSD?
ReplyDeleteThe one marked B in my picture above should be the one provides power to the OSD.
DeleteOne disappointed note is that even after I replaced the LDOs, after a few flies, the board also went dead same as before. So the problem is not the LDOs, it is what caused LDO burned.
Good to know not to have to high hope, but I see it as a nice way to practice my soldering skills... :)
Deleteusing omnibus F4 V2 pro.
ReplyDeletehello and thanks for sharing. i have noticed by looking at the datacheet that these LDO's efficiency isnt the best as the votage rises. best results according to datasheet its between 0 - 12V - output 5v.
i also think these aftermarket LDO's are king of dud's .. wich they used also in the construction of these boards (bad mistake, ppl should ask money back).
- i tryied and connected my RX to 5v and the moment i connected fpv cam it died.
so even if we buy these aftermarket ldo's - its a gamble. best it to power everything from separate PDB and leave the FC board alone since its not reliable.
now i'm in the state where i plug usb and FC is booting and everything seems to work. its crazy i have to make microscopic repairs to a new FC board. i'm so pissed .... should have this in my skyhunter micro.
Thanks for the data sheet finding, I absolutely agreed that we should power all accessories from a pdb instead of the FC.
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ReplyDeleteOmnibus F4 V3 pro. Same thing.. I had succes flyes. I dont know what is going on. Only the buzzer is getting power from the FB since I am using a separate fatshark 5.8 video and still dont know how could this happened.
ReplyDeleteI've had two Omnibus F4 V3 boards with similar symptoms. For one, the green light was on but no blue light or USB connection. It's not an issue with the LDO itself but something downstream that has shorted out and then overheated the LDO, so replacing the LDO doesn't fix it. Time to move on to something that's not the Omnibus.
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